Bile reflux symptoms reddit i've been doing some research to try to figure out why my chronic gastritis (7+ years now) turned into gerd and esophagitis so suddenly last year. 75 milliliters) or less of liquefied food at a time, but not enough to allow digestive juices to reflux into the stomach. I, of course did an online search, and see that these things do correlate. Just had mine removed today and although I have pain my bile reflux symptoms seem to be gone (although it may be to early to tell) so at least for me it seemed to be related. Regurgitation. PPIs won’t stop you from refluxing if bile is the root cause, but it might protect your throat by reducing the acid being refluxed thereby hindering pepsin activation. If you have bile reflux in your esophagus, you may notice: Heartburn. I also read that Buke reflux can cause cancer and ulcers if left untreated. These are common symptoms of biliary sludge; suggest you take matters to THIN your bile. In the beginning of all this it was so bad I couldn’t eat and thought I was dying before my first endoscopy only showed mild gastritis. Seconding what everyone else said about fiber and cholesteramine. Like clockwork, after eating these things, I get bile reflux. you definitely have bile reflux if the TUDCA improved your symptoms. Learned today I have bile reflux. once you start dealing with this, it’s fairly undeniable because common acid Hello all. Some mornings I’ll wake up with a burning in my stomach from the bile (I have heartburn issues so that exacerbates the bile reflux), I take the Colestipol, and the burning stops almost immediately. A community for discussing gastritis and diseases related to gastritis (e. Not everybody gets every symptom or side effect. I have bile reflux and gastroparesis. But because many people experience both acid reflux and bile reflux, your symptoms may be eased by lifestyle changes: Stop smoking. I read bile and acid can reflux in your throat but the thing is my esophagus is fine there was no inflammation. my ph test was normal and i don’t have acid reflux really i mean sometimes ill get a burning feeling in my chest but my main symptoms is just chronic nausea, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, and indigestion especially after i eat This subreddit is for people having gallbladder trouble, preparing for gallbladder removal, have had surgery, discuss diet or a place to discuss managing gallbladder disease symptoms. I'm pretty sure I fucked my stomach up way worse taking PPIs the last week. ” This all started when I started dealing with bile reflux 8 months ago - and the only week when I wasn’t experiencing bile reflux symptoms anymore, I tried drinking and I was able to get drunk! From this, I’m pretty certain that bile reflux and my inability to get drunk are related. It mostly happens at night. hence the tricky situation, ideally if you have no stones seen on a scan, it would be best to use supplements like TUDCA, choline etc long term, to see if it helps. We don't think her bile duct is clogged yet. I’m just wondering if it’s why my gastritis is chronic. 3-4 2tblsp portions of soaked+pressure cooked butter beans per day) Acacia, apple skins, PHGG - sources of soluble fibre I tolerated when my SIBO was worse Bile reflux has very similar symptoms as acid reflux. Ox bile triggered mine (you begin to overproduce bile and your ileum cannot keep up with reabsorption). Bile acid reflux is a cause of gastritis. She has a 10 cm hepatic mass as well. In October, symptoms returned and I had an abnormal HIDA scan (EF 12%) prompting surgery consult and a lap chole in November. People can end up with pain after because of issues with the bile duct. Aug 17, 2016 · The symptoms of acid and bile reflux into oesophagus are the same. Just thinking here, if anyone has input let me know. It would be great for people with gallstones that maybe didn't want to have surgery. Significantly reduced IBS symptoms. You already say you have duodenal reflux. true. Thank you for sharing your story. Just recently I felt sternum pressure, upper middle back pain and phlegm. believes caused my gastritis, and i'm just starting to work on dealing with that as well, so my symptoms and overall health get better faster. When we have bile reflux, our gallbladder can bile sludge. Around 90% of people end up with adhesions, which you can googlethey are quite painful and impossible to ever get rid of. Just to give context, I got a lap chole last 2020 due to gallstones giving me symptoms of repeated reflux and bile duct clogging. Hi I’m 16M, since September last year I have had reflux severe problems, heartburn, golf ball in throat (which went away after 3 months) , bitter taste in mouth, burning pain in the back of throat and crippling nausea, so bad I stopped going to the gym just to function. 4 Patients with bile reflux may complain of bilious vomiting; however, this symptom is relatively nonspecific. slightly elevated ast/alt, digestive issues, lacking of bile, stool is lighter color chronically, etc. So you have bile reflux. cholestyramine is my biggest help but other things that have had an effect: amitryptiline, digestive enzymes, atrantil, effexor. I spent four days in hospital where i was painkiller IVs all the way to morphine. PPIs makes me feel worse. I jad the same exact symptoms. Acid reflux, on the other hand, is typically characterized by a burning sensation in the chest or throat. i lowered the dose a bit, to two pills a day. Behavioral changes and diets do not bring any improvement. But many of the symptoms of gastroparesis can be symptoms of hiatal hernia too. bile. When I took digestive enzymes with betaine HCI (helps create stomach acid), it really helped symptoms. I stopped taking the omeprazole after several months. "Bile reflux and acid reflux share similar symptoms, like heartburn and regurgitation. That is a risk factor for bile reflux. I have taken a bit of diatomaceous earth a few days ago to, in case of parasites and candida left, which seemed to cause die off symptoms (slight fever, and poor sleep) the first time but not the second time, which makes me think something was Started with classic GERD symptoms 2 years ago and slowly progressed into GP symptoms like early satiety, nausea immediately after eating(the more the food the stronger is the nausea). Jan 6, 2022 · Unlike acid reflux, bile reflux seems unrelated to lifestyle factors. Medication can help bile reflux but not biliary dyskinesia. I’ve also recently discovered at 26 that I have a tree nut allergy from eating a cashew and going into anaphylaxis. Unless there is another root cause mechanism that is causing my bile reflux that I am now aware of. My case isn't quite like yours in how mine started and I'm not sure why mine did but I ended up having multiple things when I finally found a doc that didn't ignore me: bile reflux, hiatal hernia, LPR, GERD, chronic gastritis from bile. So i’ve been dealing with stomach issues for nearly two years now, basically a constant gnawing in my stomach despite negative endoscopy. I've searched through this group and noticed that there are many posts about supplements and bile binders, so I apologize if this has been asked before. Ppi(s) usually make bile reflux worse. Members Online 37YO M, desperate Bile reflux? Symptoms I have gerd issue for years, I take ppi still every morning I forcefully brush my tongue so that acid comes out, if I’ve had alcohol on previous night or friend spicy junk food, that vomit is yellow in colour. TUDCA actually just thins the bile out. im trying meditation and deep breathing exercises and they seem to help. If your gallbladder wasn't functioning properly, it could easily cause bile reflux. I have done some research and it seems like the bitter taste in my mouth is due to bile acid, which is a lot harder to manage than acid reflux. I've got some psyllium husk 700mg pills and haven't yet started them, but looking for peoples' experience who have bile reflux. Eat smaller meals. Bile and food mix in the duodenum and enter your small intestine. It occurs when the pyloric valve malfunctions, causing bile to backflow into the stomach. But not everyone experiences symptoms the same. No issues till April of this year as I got acud reflux again. 5cm. Currently I sleep with a wedge pillow and take antiacids when I have a flare up. It’s what my GI doc told me I could use going forward if I begin noticing bile reflux again. Idk how it's treated, my voice gets hoarse, pain in sternum, my esophagus is bloated or slightly burning and my stomach feels warm. Not sure if it is because of them, but often the pain goes away. Symptoms 33 male uk, obese, sleep apnea, IIH, gallbladder issues with drain inserted(1+ year) 4 months ago it started with a stomach pain while drinking on an empty ish stomach and being on NSAIDs for 5 days. I thought it was due to my hitial hernia which is 2. Hiya, Have had the classic reflux symptoms for the last 3 or so years. In theory bile and stomach acid neutralize each other. However, it doesn't really do anything for those with bile reflux. Thought I had gerd for 10plus years, but just learned it’s this. Doctors commonly overlook this condition, leading a fair amount of gastritis sufferers to continue to suffer without an effective treatment or cure. I do have stones, sludge and 1 cm polyp or poyps, my gastro swears it is not the cuase of my bile or acid reflux but I am having my gallbladder removed in 1 month. Getting my gut micro biome in line really About two years after, my reflux got better but ever since February 2023, the bile reflux is back daily. you're right on the money with mental health, ive been diagnosed with anxiety disorder which the dr. I am currently dealing with the worst LPR acid or bile reflux I have ever encountered. It took about 7-14 days for the medicine to become effective, but once it builds up in your system, the relief you get is amazing. I had a 48 hour bravo ph probe study last year and I was positive for acid reflux only at night when laying down but I know this probe does not test for bile reflux. Technically bile reflux means bile gets into stomach from the duodenum. Smoking increases the production of stomach acid and dries up saliva, which helps protect the esophagus. I havent had any bile reflux as a result of having my gallbladder out, so you might not either. He said that people do not usually report symptoms of bile reflux. Then half a dozen new symptoms (not listed on any bile reflux resource) started in August and no doctor can confirm what is causing them and if they relate - yet they often coincide with reflux flare ups. My diagnosis is gastroduodendal bile reflux, as bilary fluid was found in my stomach during endoscopy. The last 3 nights I have woken up in the night with horrible bile reflux (it tastes absolutely disgusting!) has anyone else had this issue. . 13 votes, 17 comments. I’ve been told it can’t be completely treated with diet/weightloss. Typical gastritis symptoms. Many people suffer from bile reflux after gallbladder removal. I’m not sure but for me I just thought my gallbladder was releasing so much bile it was going up into my stomach. Doing good eating most things but trying to slowly introduce caffine and some spice back into my diet. Bile reflux is typically alkaline in nature, compared with the acidic environment found in the stomach. While stomach acid, you feel in your throat. And if you have gerd both acid and bile can hurt your esophagus and your throat. The pyloric valve, a heavy ring of muscle located at the outlet of your stomach, usually opens only slightly — enough to release about an eighth of an ounce (about 3. Obviously speak to your doctor, but its something you could try. Doctors ignored me so i researched for one with knowledge of it and history of treating it. 2,3 Despite this difference in pH, patients can experience similar symptoms, making bile reflux and GERD difficult to distinguish. However, bile reflux often causes more upper abdominal discomfort, including a bitter taste in the mouth and sometimes vomiting of bile. What are the symptoms of bile reflux (non-acid reflux)? If you have bile reflux in your stomach, you may notice: Abdominal pain. This subreddit is for EVERYONE that includes people who are also trying to keep their gallbladder and do not want surgery. tried tudca and got horrible liver spasms. Bile reflux is a possible complication of gallbladder removal, but it can be difficult to detect even with a ph test since you can reflux both acid and bile simultaneously. It is Stage 4, unresectable, metastatic, bile duct cancer. However, I did ask my doctor directly about this because I was nervous too. Hi all - reaching out here as I'm at a bit of a loss. Seems that stomach acid via grapefruit stimulation can reduce bile acid. i dont get why i get reflux symptoms at night when my stomach is supposed to be empty. It won't necessarily get worse. When I would eat a meal that was more fatty and took bile and bile salts towards the end of a meal, it helped the remaining symptoms. If your symptoms include vomit, check the color. But interestingly PPIs stopping my symptoms. The Reason coffee helps is becuase coffee stimulates that thins the bile sludge. HIDA scan can be used to check for bile reflux and gallbladder dysfunction, A community for discussing gastritis and diseases related to gastritis (e. Some symptoms that you may have if you have bile reflux (ALTHOUGH YOU CAN STILL HAVE IT WITHOUT THESE SYMPTOMS) is gastritis, GERD like symptoms, tongue coating (carpet tongue, caused by bile), hypersalivation, and vomiting bile) My symptoms always are nausea, VOMITING BILE, and EXTREME DISCOMFORT in my abdomen. Anyone experience this, and recovered on this WOE? I have had reduced symptoms, but daily heartburn still does occur. Also on Nexium but I have had heartburn forever Some people get relief from cholyestramine but there is more research on ursodiol. I've been prescribed Bile Acid Sequestrant pills to take with food. Nausea. Just be very careful taking PPIs because they can make bile reflux way worse. It seems that bile reflux is actually common in folks who have no symptoms. Basically, your stomach and lower esophagus has at least a little built-in resistance to acid; but absolutely none to bile. I have almost all of the symptoms listed online, but otherwise, there's little information about other symptoms. I wish you the best and shoot you can get it all Taking colestipol binds bile alot, taking tudca adds bile, but may improve composition to make it less toxic, psyillium binds bile abit but not as much as the medication. Also, if your supplementing with bile salts, stop for a bit. Did all your symptoms subside after gb removal? I have intraheptic cholangiocarcinoma 3b, bile duct cancer with tumors in both lobes of the liver and some nearby lymph nodes. The bile duct was blocked by the tumor so my liver enzymes went up and I had jaundice last August, leading to the discovery of the cancer. Mar 9, 2023 · Bile reflux is a condition where bile is moving into the stomach or esophagus when it shouldn't be there. Sharing treatments, cures, causes, news, case studies, medical articles, and personal experiences are very welcome. Which diets have you tried, I guess low acid (Acid Watcher's)? I have LPR and constant shortness of breath, I guess that it's not the same as asthma symptoms, but I've read that people that were wrongly diagnosed with asthma stopped eating gluten (even though their blood analysis didn't show alergy or intolerance), diary, red meat and CT showed mild gallbladder sludge. Hey all! I've been miserable for months (1 year post opp) experiencing a burning upper abdominal pain, diarrhea and bad heartburn that I've come to learn are symptoms of bile reflux, but it almost felt like having gallbladder pain again. Now, I have pain in my sternum since october 2023 and reflux it's not stomach acid (I'm still on pantoprazol tho) but non-acid-relux aka. Unfortunately, there is a good chance it comes back. I'm almost 2 years post op and still have off days. Indigestion. The main symptom of both is frequent heartburn — a burning feeling in the chest or throat accompanied by a sour taste in the mouth. Dandelion -Soluble fibre (bean protocol; e. 4 months after the first symptoms, I did an elastase test and the result was 600 after 3 months of constant indigestion and morning sickness elastase was 125 wtf then I did it 2 more times and they were 260 can this happen due to reflux Please Help Welcome to Gallbladders! This subreddit is for people having gallbladder trouble, preparing for gallbladder removal, have had surgery, discuss diet or a place to discuss managing gallbladder disease symptoms. Aug 5, 2011 · Signs and symptoms of bile reflux and acid reflux are similar, resulting in difficulty distinguishing between the two. This sucks. How long should I give myself to notice any difference in my gastritis symptoms? (back pain, pain where my gb was) the endoscopy showed severe inflammation with intestinal metaplasia and a lot of bile in my stomach. Near the last 2 to 3 I started waking up vomiting bile like you and after all the tests I did I researched and concluded bile reflux. super similar symptoms. i'm so sad right now. I had a tough go around with Covid 4 weeks ago. Doing okish but one of my incisions popped and is slightly infected and I'm still very good sensitive. My wife suffers from bile reflux and she describes the same sensations and she usually drinks grapefruit juice to reduce the symptoms. my ph test was normal and i don’t have acid reflux really i mean sometimes ill get a burning feeling in my chest but my main symptoms is just chronic nausea, loss of appetite, abdominal pain, and indigestion especially after i eat Hi - did your bile reflux get better with the psyllium husk treatment? I had my first endoscopy last week, and my GI said I had a lot of bile in my stomach, and mild gastritis. g. i dont know what to do. Bile has a tell-tale yellow tint. Sore throat and hoarseness. Feeling a significant increase in energy most days. How can I tell if I have acid reflux or bile reflux? Symptoms of acid reflux and bile reflux in your esophagus are virtually the same. I had my first upper endoscopy / EGD on Tuesday, following a few months of excessive belching that appeared to start after a viral infection (50-80 times per day currently — mostly a feeling of "air" needing to be let out, no burning or taste to them, and they're not big belches). I may have a gall bladder problem but my blood tests are normal so far. I'm curious if this is a permanent change or something that will go away with time. The ONLY options for bile reflux are psyllium husk (works kind of okay, but not great) or a bile binder (works much Haven’t been formally diagnosed but waiting on endoscopy referral to GI currently for this reason. ulcers, functional dyspepsia). And inread that GERD or Bile reflux can be a potential cause. I have dysphagia. My doctor had me try pepcid, which did nothing for the reflux at all and made me have random muscle twinges and some more anxiety, and then omeprazole and pantoprazole - both of which made me feel dramatically worse - more panic, more SOB, bloating, etc. Yellow-green vomit. Aloe did help me some. Members Online Under investigation I’m dealing with it now as well. Bile reflux has little to do with what you eat, while it plays part, it has to do with the fact that we no longer have a gallbladder, so the bile dumping directly from the liver to the intestines, causing overflow back into the stomach or esophagus is the issue. A space for sufferers of bile reflux and bile reflux gastritis to discuss their condition and possible treatment options. I did test positive for SIBO (and very positive, with methane levels of 120 ppm) but I hear most people talk about the bloating rather than a gnawing sort of pain. No jaundice or itching yet, but she has terrible acid reflux. Bile is released into duodenum, has nothing to do in stomach normally) and/or bile reflux from stomach into oesophagus. I got recommended to drink it by a dietician to gain weight, but life decided to treat me with some more weight loss and bile reflux instead. This condition could lead to symptoms in the upper digestive system and may need treatment with medications or surgery. I'm sorry you're suffering too. stopped taking and it went away gradually over next few days. It would be similar to taking oxbile. During Covid my reflux worsened. Do you have any tips what can help me? There are possibly multiple mechanisms for bile reflux, one being impaired intestinal motility/sibo. Maybe all the pain is bile reflux I just don’t know. It definitely does take time to adjust after surgery. That's why I'm off of them now. I don't think it's acid reflux because pepcid doesn't help. The attacks are pretty awful. But I have been considering the fact that I am having symptoms of low acid when I have difficulty digesting higher protein food from perhaps the fact that bile is refluxing small amounts into my stomach and neutralizing my stomach acid. It feels like there's a brick in my chest and radiates down to my back. I didn't have heartburn so most likely the symptoms were not directly related to acid. It’s just how my body is. When I was first long hauling, I had no stomach/GI symptoms except for some silent reflux (it could have been something else though). I believe that this surgery may raise your pH levels but it doesn’t mean you’ll even notice it. Wanted to share my story here as i read most accounts when i got bile reflux gastritis. Jan 6, 2022 · Bile reflux into the stomach. A subreddit for people with the condition know as Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD). But I don’t feel the actual mental “drunkenness. I may be completely misunderstanding. I am having another endoscopy next week because my symptoms are just worsening. Your symptoms sound a lot like bile reflux too. This can mean bile reflux (which causes permanent gastritis in your stomach as well as acid reflux for life). The ibuprofen I was taking for Covid symptoms gave me a slight ulcer. you likely will develop bile reflux gastritis long term, but UDCA/tudca, may help reduce that risk if you continue using it. Now i have noticed i do that every time i eat and i have trouble swallowing. I saw GI, improved on omeprazole and felt like symptoms resolved, so I held off on further testing. I read that Bile reflux is a lot higher in people who get their gallbladder removed. I later had an endoscopy on 30th where the test revealed that i had bile reflux and evidenced in the stomach etc. On April 25th, i got vomiting and severe gastric pain. Mine began 3 weeks post up and I suffered for 3-4 weeks straight with LPR symptoms including throat and tonsil pain, headaches especially the occipital left side, pangs and burning in the stomach, and a bunch of constipation issues. They could try an endoscopy to look at your stomach and esophagus lining. I was thinking maybe I developed gastritis again because of the overuse of PPI, but it can be also bile, though I was fine for 5 months, and bile reflux doesn't just disappear on its own, so I don't know. I'm dealing with gastritis caused by bile reflux and I have symptoms that at least look like gastroparesis because I get full really fast and nausea is a daily occurrence. Hi, I am 2 weeks post op today. Did you see your doctor after you start having sore throat? Of the best treatments is the life style changes like diet etc by i have the exact same issue. However movements are more frequent (but regular). The globes sensation could be acid reflux? I had both after removal but my bile reflux was far more symptomatic and for me personally, this is not universal, acid reducers made the bile worse. My symptoms are stomach pain occasionally, burping, acid reflux. My understanding is that you can’t differentiate bile and acid reflux without tests, since the symptoms are the same; but bile reflux is much worse damage-wise. Interventional radiology installed tubes so my bile can drain externally. I'm currently almost 4-weeks post op. So tapering off acid reducers should be helping if it is bile reflux . Now one thing needs to be distinguished: bile reflux from duodenum into stomach (duodenogastric reflux. ultrasound wont always show gallbladder issue. Cancer cells are floating around her abdominal area. This subreddit is for people having gallbladder trouble, preparing for gallbladder removal, have had surgery, discuss diet or a place to discuss managing gallbladder disease symptoms. I will be 3 weeks post-op tomorrow. Movements are consistently solid (for first time in years) with some exceptions. Just a friendly reminder this subreddit is NOT a substitute for true medical advice or seeking medical help for your condition. I was also prescibed sucralfate 3x daily. i have bile reflux. When you have acid or bile reflux, the gallbladder is a potential root cause, however removal is also a root cause of acid and bile reflux. Now I still get nausea and some burning sensations, but the nausea seems to have increased. Currently my main issue is the occasional acid/bile reflux that leaves me nauseous. And I still experience symptoms of low acidity as well as regular moderate stomach pain, so I returned to my bile reflux gastropathy :D I take aloe gels for pain. Welcome to Gallbladders! This subreddit is for people having gallbladder trouble, preparing for gallbladder removal, have had surgery, discuss diet or a place to discuss managing gallbladder disease symptoms. Time spent on loo during "openings" significantly reduced. Did the manomtoery test which came back as normal motiltiy and function and ph monitoring test came back with low amount of acid readings. I’m a 27F I had my gallbladder removed 12 years ago but recently I have been having acid reflux symptoms stomach pain a few hours after eating, full feeling in my chest, excessive burping, 24/7 nausea, constipation. Some people have both: acid and bile reflux. Hi all, I've been lurking the subreddit ever since I was diagnosed with Bile Reflux. It doesn’t seem like most people have symptoms. i… If you have bile reflux in your esophagus, you may notice: Heartburn. likewise, just started some bile salts as well, and last night and this morning lots of pain and discomfort My GI said I had a lot of bile in my stomach so I need to do very small, frequent meals (which is the opposite of how I like to eat, I like to eat maybe 1-2 times a day, I literally do not have an appetite to eat that often and I like to eat hot meals, not something like a cold piece of fruit or a fistful of nuts), and add a little acid in mixed with meals. i cant sleep, i woke up at 3 with reflux, just burning in my esophagus. My mother (61, F) finally received a diagnosis from her oncologist here in GA. Bile reflux tends to hit at the other end intestines to stomach. I likely have bile reflux because I had my gallbladder removed. Whether it is bile or acid, my suggestion is to get plenty of fiber- don’t over do it at first or it will cause constipation - work up slowly. So, can bile reflux cause: Aug 5, 2011 · Signs and symptoms of bile reflux and acid reflux are similar, resulting in difficulty distinguishing between the two. I’m on a bile binder but not much help, also have ghost gallbladder pain now in lower ruq area and in my back sometimes I get this pulsing ache after eating greasy food. Also, the symptoms started after drinking Fresubin Supportan drink. Hi Guys I need helpppp Can bilereflux cause digestive symptoms and stools that are not formed? I was diagnosed with reflux during a gastroscopy. Also, stomach acid triggers bile and digestive enzymes so if you're deficient, it can create gallbladder issues. gybnev wfq hjeknhz ispb fjral bgsj kxuv wwqf lgcmtuz biftq